lingerie shopping with Bear
I should have known it was a bad idea. What was I even thinking?
It all started when Bear needed a new suit rightthissecond. He only had one, and it had already been patched twice, and now there was another hole, in the same place. He needed it by, like, the next day, for a big meeting he suddenly remembered he had, and there was no time to get it fixed.
We went to Men’s Wearhouse near Union Square and got two for the price of one. It was very exciting. One was pale gray, and we both felt like it was really extra cool and a little daring. The other was dark gray, and it looked stately and solemn. I was unhelpful, because all suits look the same to me, and I think they all look good on Bear, and so I concentrate too hard, trying to figure out the differences, and then I focus on the wrong things and start to question my judgment.
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“It’s too boxy. Except boxy is a flattering look on you. But I think the line of the bottom part is too straight. It looks severe. But I guess suits are severe, so that might be intentional. Wait, try the other one– that was less severe….OK, that’s not boxy enough.”
Bear seemed to trust his instincts, and, for a guy for whom normal jeans were a huge upgrade from the strange cargo pants he used to have, he has a surprisingly discerning eye for formal clothing. As far as I can tell. The whole thing took maybe twenty minutes.
And then, after we were very pleased with ourselves for getting two nice suits for the price of one, I thought it would be fun to stop in at Victoria’s Secret, just a couple blocks away. Valentine’s Day was coming up…My bras were all ancient and bedraggled. It might be fun. Did I already say that? You know that’s a bad sign.
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I am bad at lingerie. Mostly just because I don’t care. I wrote this post for The Frisky about lingerie and Valentine’s Day. It’s set many years ago, when I was a teenager. That was the last time I bought lingerie for Valentine’s Day, and I didn’t even have a boyfriend then.
I am also bad at bras, in general. My breasts are, I mean. They don’t cooperate. They don’t get pushed up the right way. They don’t play nicely with lace. They look confused and unhappy. They look like they’re trying to figure out what I want from them, but it’s too complicated and they’re about to give up.
But I am married now and my breasts are a little bigger, because of the delightful weight gain (not sarcasm), and I figured, what the hell– it’s time. I’m gonna do this. I’m gonna get sexy lingerie from the world’s biggest, flashiest lingerie chain. The same one that offended me with their catalogues as a feminist child and later motivated me to stand in front of the mirror, at ten, clad only in a lace shift from the dress up box, and whisper mysteriously at my reflection, “I know Victoria’s secret…it’s sex!”
I did not exactly know what sex was. One of the boys in homeschooling group had mentioned that it had to do with the, you know, the THING. And the lady’s thing! Her butt!
But I knew it was what Victoria’s Secret was all about. I just knew there was a connection somewhere…And I was scandalized and intrigued.
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And then, years and years later, I was simply bored. Seriously? Leopard print bras? Supermodels in wings and rhinestones? Guys, really.
And now– well, I’d rather go somewhere else, but Victoria’s Secret was right there, right by Men’s Wearhouse.
“Am I allowed in?” Bear asked, pausing at the door, looking profoundly uneasy.
“Yes, of course! There are tons of guys in here!” I wasn’t sure, but I wanted him to come in with me. It was scarily pink in there.
We went in— Bras! Bras! Bras! Pink and red and stripes and stars and plastic gems and glitter and animal print!
“I’ll just wait outside,” said Bear, “This is weird.”
“No!” I cried. “You have to help me pick stuff!”
We were going to do that thing that couples do. I saw it once, when I was fourteen, at the mall, with my mom. The guy was picking lingerie with his girlfriend. “This will look AMAZING on you, honey!” “You think so? Maybe I’ll get it…” “I’ll get it for you! This is the gift that just keeps giving…” “Honey!” Ew. But interesting.
We were going to pick sexy lingerie together, and then I’d wear it, and it’d be this whole fun thing. Exploring new territory together.
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“Okay…” said Bear. “But I don’t know what you want.”
“Really sexy stuff– like really sparkly and sexy. 34B.”
I started pulling bras off the shelves. They all looked really similar. I’d get to underwear later.
Bear was just standing there.
“Come on!” I said. “What do you want me to wear?”
“Um,” he said. “None of this stuff?”
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“No, no. Pick something!”
“I don’t think it’s that sexy. Your old stuff is sexier.”
I rolled my eyes. “That’s not even close to true.”
I had an armful of aggressive bras. Takes you up 2 cup sizes! said several of them. That would be interesting.
“They have the heat way up,” said Bear. “I think I’ll wait outside.”
“Just take off your coat.”
“I think I’ll be more comfortable outside.”
I sighed and let him escape. A saleswoman appeared next to me. “Do you need a bag?”
I did.
“What are you looking for?” she said, returning with it.
“Sparkly,” I said, feeling bold.
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“Seems like you’re doing OK,” she said, laughing at my selection. “What size?”
“34B.”
“Um, I’m not sure.” I’m never sure. But ouch.
It turned out I was right about the B– they are a tiny bit bigger. But wrong about the 34. The rest of me is a tiny bit bigger, too. 36, now. I went back out again, and returned with a new bagful. Lace and sparkles and two whole cup sizes up and bows and hearts and pretty soon I had no idea how to judge any of them. It had been forty-five minutes. Maybe it had been an hour. We had not eaten lunch and it was suddenly 4:00 and Bear was still waiting outside, in the freezing cold.
“You could come in,” I texted. “Maybe pick out some sexy panties ;)”
“Are you almost done??” he wrote back.
I bought three bras. One that basically left my breasts alone, in beige, because I really need a new one. One in black lace that (tried) to push them up a little. And one 2 sizes up! in gray and hot pink lace, because it seemed like something I should have. I spent a lot of money. Well, I need them, I thought defensively.
I went outside. Bear was miserable. He didn’t want to talk to me. His eyes looked glassy and unseeing. His mouth was a pressed line.
He held out the shortbread and coffee he’d bought for me. “I thought you might want a snack.”
“Thanks!”
Silence.
We walked to our favorite roast beef sandwich shop in silence. We walked to the subway in silence. We took the F train home.
“What the hell is your problem?” I said, aboveground again. “Why can’t you just be fun?”
“Why couldn’t you just go another day?”
“Why can’t you have fun with me?”
“Why is that supposed to be fun? We have lots of fun!”
“We only have weird joking around fun, when we’re alone. We never have normal people fun. It’s SEXY! It’s lingerie! That’s sexy! Why can’t you be a normal guy about it?”
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“Normal guys don’t like that stuff!”
“Yes they do!”
“I don’t believe that.”
We got home. We unlocked the door. We ate. I watched Revenge as I ate. Bear looked over my shoulder. “What’s this about?” There was too much to explain.
“Do you want to show me the bras?”
I did. But I was still annoyed. “Maybe later.”
We were annoyed at each other all the way to the party at our friends’ apartment, where I hung out with some of my friends and he talked to some guys in sweater vests. I could see his back, across the room. Very broad, in the usual navy blue tee-shirt. He was wearing his only pair of jeans. The ones I’d convinced him to get about a year ago, finally. He needed a haircut. He was so cute. I was drinking champagne and being totally hilarious (I was sure of it), and I missed my husband, even though he had not wanted to pick out sexy lingerie for me.
We leaned against each other on the F train, headed home again.
“What was that whole thing, before?” Bear asked.
“I don’t know. Just a stupid moment.”
“You said we were having a Jonathan Franzen moment. That’s a really bad sign.”
I had said that, because we were both so irritated and neither one of us could explain ourselves and it was all very existential and tortured and layered and ordinary. “Yeah, but I just said it about that one moment.”
When we got home, I showed him my bras. The 2 size up one looked ridiculous. I put it back in the bag. And the beige one– so boring. I decided to return both of them.
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“I want red lace,” I said, “for Valentine’s Day.”
We went online and found a red lace bra and bought it. And almost matching underwear. Bear shrugged. “It looks pretty,” he offered kindly.
“Ooh look! There it is in burnt orange!”
“I’ll get that one for you, too.”
“I’ll return one.”
“It doesn’t matter.”
I don’t think they’ll arrive in time for tonight, but whatever. We have other plans. So far they involve cornish hens and baby bok choy. And witty conversation. And maybe even that secret of Victoria’s, which does not require any of her products at all. I know, shocking.
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Happy Valentine’s, guys! What are your plans? I’d love to hear about them. Maybe you’ll give me some ideas!
Unroast: Today I love the way I look in brown. It’s a great color.
P.S. There’s no such thing as a “normal” guy. I was being really stupid when I said those things.
P.P.S. Dear Bear, don’t worry– the next post will not involve you. I promise. Maybe.
Kate on February 14th 2012 in Uncategorized









Grace responded on 17 Feb 2012 at 11:31 am #
@Kate, oooh!!! I’ll keep an eye out for it…definitely something I’d be interested in hearing about. But then again, I love all your writing. 🙂 Also, it’s a relief to know I’m not alone in my…dislike? weirdness?…over the swimsuit issue…I can’t even fully articulate WHAT, exactly, I think is so wrong with it, but there’s definitely something there that gives me a major case of the icks/sads.
Kate responded on 17 Feb 2012 at 3:08 pm #
@Grace
Here’s the supermodel story: http://www.thefrisky.com/2012-02-17/girl-talk-inside-supermodel-brooklyn-deckers-apartment/
Jill responded on 18 Feb 2012 at 12:53 pm #
I’ll get to my thoughts on lingerie in a sec…
What’s this about a favorite roast beef sandwich shop near Union Square? I work near Union Square and I love roast beef sandwiches! What’s the name of the restaurant?
Now that the important business is out of the way, I don’t like buying bras at VS. I like my ladies as-is, I don’t need them pushed up or bedazzled. Their bras are all way too complicated for me. However, VS is my go-to place for cute cotton undies. I think they cost $25 for 4 pairs and they always have cute patterns. Though now that I just read that Jezebel post, looks like I’ll need to find a new undie supplier. Ugh.
Kate responded on 18 Feb 2012 at 12:54 pm #
@Jill
http://www.thislittlepiggynyc.com/
SO GOOD
Jill responded on 18 Feb 2012 at 1:27 pm #
I just looked up the menu on menupages… it looks amazing! Thanks!
RJ responded on 19 Feb 2012 at 6:02 pm #
This may not be useful or helpful to you but I am forced to agree with Bear. Normal guys don’t like that stuff. At least no guy that ever seemed normal to me.
Lara responded on 22 Feb 2012 at 3:24 pm #
You know, it always makes me sad when I read about women online who become desperate because they don’t find the right lingerie. I’d like to leave some totally well written, insightful reply now about how to find the right lingerie and especially the right bra size, because I’ve also been having so many problems about this and it’s actually such a revelation to finally know how to shop for that stuff … but I’m just very tired right now and I’m not a native speaker, so sorry if my reply is a bit sloppy and incomprehensible. Please still pay some attention to it and google for more information – trust me, finding the right bra size is so totally worth it, even though I can’t find my right bra size in the stores where I live and thus have to buy bras in British online shops.
From your pictures I don’t believe you’re a 36 – your ribcage looks waay smaller and the +4 / +5 inch rule is quite ridiculous. Your band size should be your underbust measurement in inches, measured considerably snug, and if it’s between two band sizes, just try both. (If this feels for some reason uncomfortable to you, you can of course always try a larger band size, but it should be very tight, since the band carries your breasts’ weight and not the straps). Also, there’s no such thing as “THE B cup” or “THE D cup”, since the cup size depends on the band size – a 32 B is way smaller in the cup than a 36 B. Actually, a 32 D is also smaller in the cup than a 36 B. Most women don’t know about that, though. Most women also wear the wrong bra size.
For your cup size, you have to measure your bust in inches, leaned forward or simply upright – you might try our both – and subtract the band size you chose from it. Every number coincides with a cup size:
A (=1), B (=2), C (=3), D (=4), DD (=5), E (=6), F (=7), FF (=8), G (…), GG, H, HH, J, JJ, … although the result you get now is just a guideline; something three-dimensional just can’t be fully categorized by taking two parallel measurements. You should perhaps google for signs of an ill/well fitting bra, since most salespersons aren’t very helpful in my experience. I’m not sure if I can post links here or if that’s some kind of advertisement, so I just don’t.
Don’t be scared if the bra size you get is completely unexpected. I am what people might call “a C cup”, used to wear 36C or 38C and am not all too skinny, but still I’m now wearing a 28GG and I’m perfectly happy with it. (The fact that I have to buy in online stores for “bigger busted women” now still gives me giggle fits from time to time, though.)
I hope my reply is sort of helpful for you. I’d wish to write so much more about this and also tell you how much I appreciate reading your blog since I can relate so well with almost everything you write, but I should really go to bed now. Good night, although it’s probably noon in New York right now.
contrary kiwi responded on 07 Mar 2012 at 8:08 pm #
@Lara
Yes! I was waiting for someone to post this. Reading any sort of lingerie post without someone pointing out that 36B seems extremely unlikely on Kate. I’ve found that usually your bra band size is smaller than your top size. I’m an NZ 10/12 in the top and my band size is 8 (or 30 in the US). My cup size is FF/G (which I believe might be G/GG/H in the US) and my boobs are extremely average size.
Victoria’s Secret, if I ever get the pleasure of visiting there, will never sell my size. I will probably be put into a 34C or possibly (but unlikely) a 34D, which is totally and utterly incorrect.
Your bandsize is your underbust measurement (measured just under your boobs by keeping the measuring tape parallel to the floor and quite tight against your chest) in inches (not cm!). My underbust is 29 inches and I wear 30 inch bras. Band sizes differ by brand and style, but I’m always between a 28 and a 32.
Lara didn’t want to post links to other blogs, but I’m going to because it’s important! If you (Kate) get the correct size bra, you might find your boobs do know what to do with it after all.
http://boosaurusbras.blogspot.com – She’s an American bra blogger and her resources page has links to other bra bloggers
http://www.investinyourchest.co.uk/ – Cheryl is a UK blogger who has some good posts on recognising your fit
http://www.venusianglow.com/p/bra-matrix.html – The first bra blog I came across – about the bra matrix and how to break out of the idea that there is such a thing as an “A” or “B” or “C” cup.
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